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Post by hanziboy on May 18, 2009 7:20:43 GMT 1
Hi all,
I had a nice race yesterday , close battle with Xtian for 3/4 of the race. 2 SC procedures.. That dit not change a thing and one of the closest finishes we had....
A a reminder for some to read the rules again.
8.12 You may not resume the race after using SHIFT-P. During Sc procedure.. 9.10 Overtaking is forbidden!!! If you were just overtaking give back that place. 9.15 You may NOT unlap !! 9.16 Stay in one single line.
11.6 Use of SHIFT-P and re-enter during the race: disqualification Unlaping during SC procedure (and even hitting others) : Disqualification...
The biggest problem is that the "victim" may reset after we are all back in a row an passing the stuck guy.. When others keep on unlapping we never get back in a row. And like yesterday proved, it is dangerous to.
Hope you all had a nice one 2.
cu back in the city ;c))
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Post by sennaboy on May 18, 2009 8:15:36 GMT 1
yeah, i've got a nice one......;
greets sennaboy
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Post by humbleridderen on May 18, 2009 10:57:11 GMT 1
yeah, i've got a nice one......; greets sennaboy What´s happening Sennaboy? I have watched your race on replay and i really can´t understand why you disconnect because of 2 small episodes in the start. T1 First lap: Me and Rasta hit each other a lttle bit, so you hit us a little bit too. You loose maybe 2 seconds there. T1 Second lap: You lost the balance of the car on your own an got into the gravel 2 meters from the track. Then you disconnected even that the car is still moving and is not stranded. I think you give up way toooooo early You still had a lot of possibilities to gain a lot of positions, maybe 3rd, if you just keep on fighting. What happened after your reconnect is another story. I just would like you to take things more calm. S*** happens all the time..also for us (See the replay and see Rasta for example..Rasta used a lot of time in the gravel later on and just kept on trying to enter the track untill he had to give up and called the Safetycar. But he didn´t disconnect. The same with some of the others. Ok, I just recommend you to watch the replay, so you see things from a better view, than just from your cockpit. It puts things in a better perspective. Beside that, gratz to DNRT and to Bluebird, who is so f****** fast and got first and second position. I had a poor qualify (as usual , but it gave me the opportunty to fight my way up the field and that was great. First Rasta put some pressure on me, but i managed to get away from him. I had too pass both xtian, hanziboy and Towz-T and I am happy that it went clean and was some good battles. In the last part of the race me and Towz-T fighted for the 3rd position and I got ahead. Sennaboy wanted to get in between, what I think was not so smart, because it disturbed Towz-T. (Sennaboy, with all respect, I think you should have respected that we were fighting for positions here, when you are 5 laps down already due to you early disconnect) PS: Are there some kind of automatic censoring on the words here on the forum, because i want to write a certain word (s***), but then it change to another word (nuts)
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Post by sennaboy on May 18, 2009 14:53:45 GMT 1
just hit wrong button and was disconnected, and then i could not join again for a couple of minutes. And yes i change my driving style from now on, drive more aggressive now. and just like you say humbleridderen sometimes nuts happens for me and the others
greets sennaboy
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Post by xtian on May 18, 2009 17:35:04 GMT 1
are ingame resets and crossing pit entry/exit lines part of your new strategy? I'm not sure it will take you anywhere, but it's up to you to decide... do not confuse a whole season of races with hot lapping. you're fast on a few laps, all you need is to deal on the lenght of a race and stay cool.
my race was a lot of fun, the battle with hanzi in the first half was really exciting, I was probably too much on the defensive and let too many cars pass on lap1. after that I could catch up with hans but not pass him (b*st*rd) that got us both slower and humblerider took advantage of our fight I guess. after the first SC, hans could get away in the traffic while I got stuck behind cars that where a lap behind and I never really was able to rejoin. in the end of course I made a couple of silly mistakes, pushing it too hard. poor standing position but an excellent night of fun racing for me. looking forward to more close battles next week (should be even harder to pass in south city, maybe strategy will hold a more important role then)
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Post by sennaboy on May 18, 2009 17:54:41 GMT 1
are ingame resets and crossing pit entry/exit lines part of your new strategy? I'm not sure it will take you anywhere, but it's up to you to decide... do not confuse a whole season of races with hot lapping. you're fast on a few laps, all you need is to deal on the lenght of a race and stay cool.
listen,
why you as admins think i do that? i have a talk to hans after the race he nows why, to math racers are doing that so if sennaboy do this kind of stuff hes the bad one.(thx for that) admins always say faster drivers must respect slower drivers OK but even slower drivers must respect faster drivers, as faster drivers are coming beside of the slower drivers i hold my hart you never know what the slower cars on track gonna do.And Xtian why should i don't drive like that don't need the points like you do, and some others. You do it your way i do it my way when you all like it or not.i cant give respect if they not respect me!
greets sennaboy
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Post by Rasta on May 18, 2009 19:54:57 GMT 1
Explanation to all regarding my race.
(This could turn into a chapter and verse exercise, so i will keep it short
Got away well enough. Enjoying first few laps feel like a good race with maybe lots of close battles. Lap 5 Sennaboy loses it at turn 1 and Disconnects 'hmm'. (I think to myself Sennaboy disconnects again?)
Continue to push as best as I can to catch the front runners. Not doing that bad staying in touch.
Lap 7 right behind Xitan and closing (New guest reconnects) Sennaboy!
I think great, he's come back! thats the spirit Sennaboy.
This is where Sennaboy goes all wrong! The disconnect has put him back apx 12.00min and 7 Laps down!
At this point Sennaboy is not gonna win the race or get any better position than last! Everyone racing Knows.
However Sennaboy rejoins the track and continues to race. No problem there can pick up points for finishing the race. What is absolutely not acceptable is to join in the race and battle it out with the rest. ( I know the leagues rules and understand them but this rule needs re-thinking in my opinion).
On lap 12, Sennaboy closes on me with better speed and maybe some drafting. Passes enters turn 1 and loses control at turn 2 resulting in me having to slow rapidly. (under normal racing scenario no problem) We collide. I spin end up in gravel and Sennaboy merrily drives away and continues with his race!
I tried in vain to escape and could not. waited for leaders to pass me twice before I called for the safety car.
I am forced to PiT and take a penalty of non-completion of the race!
So i ponder the events that have unfolded and feel hard done by! I'm thinking, a reconnection can cause a collision and carry on in the race, end up in a better position and score more points at the finish.
That's where it's all wrong in my opinion.
SHIP-P rule I disobey
I Re-enter the race. Record additional laps and race as though i am battling for a good position. Hence, braking the UN-Lap rule! (Yeah i know, but life's boring unless u break rules sometimes). My penalty can be given at the end of the race! Not in the middle because of the actions of a racer who should be more aware of the whats going ON!
Hanz. I was stubborn and raced to the finish while unlapping myself. While I understood what you and all the others were saying, I decided to continue knowing I could appeal later! As race control please take a look at the circumstances and dish out the penalty as you see fit.
To All racers sorry if this upset the race for you all and for that I am sorry! Bluebird Sorry for the Collision towards the end of the race i tried my best to avoid. Yeah you did not know what I was doing and i cam up on your side and surprised you. REALLY SORRY!
Sennaboy! well what words for you. You carry the Prefix 'Senna' a true motoracing hero Who drove with passion and skill and as a i recall, never gave up on any race he was IN. You should drop the name 'Sennaboy' and change to 'Boysenna', because clearly you still have much to learn about competition. You have to take the rough with the smooth.
I am trying my best to be as polite to you as possible but you don't deserve it. Why bash me at the end! Hmmm. Your speed was clearly better than mine in the race but your control not the same! Your entry into T1 was fairly erratic and not practiced enough to take at the speed you tried to. You spun i think 3 times there!
You came between to competitors who were fighting for position and forced one backwards. Ignored the BLUE FLAGS. WHY! what did u have to gain. You should have stayed out of the way.
Calm down and be fair!
That is all i got to say!
Ohh and good race to the winners 1st, 2nd and 3rd and good for those who finished the race as well.
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Post by sennaboy on May 18, 2009 20:15:09 GMT 1
@ rasta,
always the same blaming sennaboy, what others do included you never a word about that. THATS NO SPIRIT, ok yesterday i did things wrong you know why? to open all racers eyes, what is in the name of god going on in the league? And rasta you come 4 maybe 5 times in a seasson so you didn't know what all the seasson hase happens so first watch all replays and then you can talk about me and blaming me for last race.If i do somthing wrong all of you talk about it but if they do it to me nobody says a word, the way i see it now all i can do is start a race,tay at last position.Than everybody is happy,if i race for a good place nobody is lucky and if they can drove me off and result always in a raceincident.
about my name; nobody can say what name i must use, look at your own name.
greets sennaboy
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Post by Rasta on May 18, 2009 20:21:35 GMT 1
Reply..........
You need to mature a little more I think! You seem to be taking this way to seriously. (Question. Do you race in motorsport in real-life? I think not based on your response!)
You have said nothing in your appropriate to the race! forget about last year man! concentrate on the here and now! Make mistakes apologies! If you have been around for as long as you intimate, then of all those in the league you should no better and follow the rules more clearly. I at least because i am new have an excuse!
Enough said from me.
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Post by Rasta on May 18, 2009 23:30:57 GMT 1
Lets Start again Sennaboy!
Forget what happened on track and lets start again. No need for bad feeling!
Maybe i am too critical of the race myself. Sometimes things go wrong! But nuts! happens!
Rasta.
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Post by humbleridderen on May 18, 2009 23:50:05 GMT 1
Sennaboy, i just want you to qualify as the rest of us and take things more calmly, . not agressive. (how did you come to that conclusion???) Calm is better to have fun with each other I understood you hit the wrong button, as you said. That´s nuts! ;D (where have you put that command?) Well, nobody is winning on the forum, so let´s battle on the track, ok?
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Post by hanziboy on May 19, 2009 1:04:42 GMT 1
My vision on all of this..
1st : indeed not so clever to have a disconnect button programmed.. so change that.. at least that error would not happen again. 2nd : everybody that got disconnected has the possibility to reconnect and rejoin the race. In LFS in endurance races like kyoto 500 they reconnect after a disconnection and the laps already done still count. So don't think to easily that the disconnected guys is behind you... Of course in this case Sennaboy had problems to reconnect and was clearly a lot of laps behind. 3rd : Reconnecting is the way it should be... In this way you collect the extra 2 points and you get more experience..Also for other racers it should be more fun and add more action to the race. 4th : It is not because you are a lot of laps down your race is over.. go for it .. Yes Rasta Sennaboy had every right to fight again.. And if you see he is that much laps behind you, you should realise he was not threat to you and he was almost 2 seconds a lap faster then you... so it was stupid to take that much risk and go into battle.. You had a battle with Xtian not with Sennaboy.. so the smartest thing to do was let him pass you on the oval and continue you battle with Xtian.. You can not ask from a racer to rejoin and not to race.. 5th : Rasta get stuck and is angry and frustrated but you should have called Sc sooner. And waited until we had passed you in a row, then you could reset and we were back on track. The fact that you pressed shift-P means game over for you. With the Sc procedure you would have been 1 lap down, but still ahead of Sennaboy, Scatter and Slo_Knuckles, in fact you would not have lost a place at the end of the race. 6th : If you rejoin you may indeed fight your way back through the grid, but try not to come into last lap battles.. Indeed a mistake of Sennaboy to keep on pushing By doing so now.. he has ended a nice fight between Towz-t and Cramer. So indeed rejoin also means race 100% but not if you see you can't gain anything from it in the last laps. 7th : unlapping, nothing to say about this .. the rules are clear and this is done to give the admins a clear view when to restart the race. This can only be done when we are back in one row.. When cars are unlapping this is impossible to do...Ignoring that command, hitting other cars was indeed not so clever and has resulted again in disqualify. 8th : Respect.... yes over that word I think I can write all night long....(already 01:55am now) Respect is in the first place ... knowing and understanding the rules !! Respect has to come from faster drivers to the slower driver.. don't drive like you're king of the road, lap them when it is save to do so... NOT sooner.. Realize that also the slower drivers are still in a battle !!! Just like you they also see a yellow triangle in front of them and an orange in the mirrors.. Respect is also to interfear as less as possible in that battle to. Realize also lapped guys are driving for position and points ! Respect is trying to do as much laps on the combo before the race.. It makes you faster but most of all prevents you of unexpected errors. Respect is not to think the race is won in the first corner !!!! Steaming up like hell not knowing what will happen. Don't always expect others should have seen you. Respect is waiting after collision if you know you were to blame. Respect is never to give up. Respect is to have the 2 buttons on the wheel programmed for left en right view. Don't drive with horse glasses thinking "I hope the other one knows I'm not seeing him". And if it results in a collision, know your as much to blame for that incident ! Respect is no Chatting during qualify and Racing. I could go on and on... but I do think you all know what I'm trying to say here..
We are here to have fun, nice close fair battles, but not for the money ...
PS : indeed this forum blocks F**** words ;c)))
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Post by xtian on May 19, 2009 8:02:58 GMT 1
@senna: if you think you were dissavantaged by the actions of another driver that got away with it, you know the procedure, you can send an email to complain to the admins and they will look at the stuation. For all I know you crashed alone on this race. The 3 of us race too so we cannot spend 10 hours watching every car’s replay. Unlapping while SC is a very good way to bring the attention on yourself and lead us to monitor your race, and rasta’s race, and see what else you did wrong.
For everyone, when you enter the competition, you agree to follow some rules. In a society, your personnal interest must sometimes be brought down in the interest of the community. If you cannot understand this, you are a potential sociopath and you shouldn’t be walking the streets because you are a danger for others.
Unlapping during SC is proven not safe (you both hit leaders) a problem for the general procedure that last longer in the dissavantage of stuk drivers, bring confusion and mayheym in race and points, and an insult to those who follow the rules. Ressetting during race is a stupid thing to do. You will never find an excuse to explain this attitude. Reset can be used under strict SC procedure. Shift-P CANNOT. Ignoring blue flags and messing with people that made a consistant effort for an hour (and/or are7 laps ahead of) you isn’t much of a sign of respects for others. You may be faster, but if they’re several laps ahead of you, they’re better racers.
This is no destruction derby.
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Post by humbleridderen on May 19, 2009 10:27:57 GMT 1
For everyone, when you enter the competition, you agree to follow some rules. In a society, your personnal interest must sometimes be brought down in the interest of the community. If you cannot understand this, you are a potential sociopath and you shouldn’t be walking the streets because you are a danger for others. Just a general comment, not to anyone especific. I´m totally agreing about xtians comments, but I doubt if it is really in anyones interest not to take care of others. I think it´s just on the short sight, that it can be ones interest to do so, but on the long term, after someone have experienced that they just kiled an 8 months old baby, because they wanted to drive disrespectful to any rules set by the the community, they will regret what they have done for the rest of their lifes. (this just happened in Denmark for a few days ago) But not so dramatic and not so serious, in this online game, we are still still humans behind our controllers, and we are like a small community. We don´t get killed, but our relations and the fun we have is a common interest we have to respect. If we don´t do this we also loose the good friendship we have. And when friendship is ruined it will always result in separation before or later. So better take care of the community as mush as one take care of one self. Ps. Who wants to play chess, with someone who is cheating?
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Post by hanziboy on May 19, 2009 11:59:25 GMT 1
Ignoring blue flags and messing with people that made a consistant effort for an hour (and/or are7 laps ahead of) you isn’t much of a sign of respects for others. On this one I disagree... It is not because you had a disconnection, you may not fight back on reconnection. If Sennaboy would have been in my mirrors I would have let him pass easily because I know hes much faster then me and I know he is some laps behind... so I'm not in battle with him. Going into battle with him only means I get slower because i'm watching my mirror to much !! the sooner he passed me, the sooner I can continue my personal battle with the ones in the same lap in front and behind me. So I see no problem there .. The interference with the battle Towz-t and Cramer is something else... Sennaboy had nothing to gain from it in those last laps, so you should have been watching this from a distance. It is important to know what the meaning of the blue flag is.. If you get it by being lapped and you have a faster car in you mirrors, then the rule stand to go out of the way and let the faster car pass you when it is safe to do. If you get a blue flag because you had some problems and try to unlap others , I see no problem. As long you prove you are faster and are increasing the gap on the one you passed so the blue flag warning goes away. You may be faster, but if they’re several laps ahead of you, they’re better racers. If you had problems like a normal, or like Sunday by mistake, disconnection, this does not mean you are slower but you had problems.. If we encourage racers to rejoin to the race with 2 extra points it is not to drive like a tourist on track but to actually race. Unlapping some guys is a normal thing I guess. I see this like Le Mans event (endurance) where cars come into the pit to replace a complete gearbox. They also are lapped several times, but when back on track they try to make up for the lost time. Again know if the person trying to unlap you is really the one you want to fight with and lose time, or even on contact lose the race. On the other hand that racer indeed has to know when he can not gain anymore and does not come into others fights on the end of the race.. We can not write rules about this kind of behavior ... It is another respect thing indeed. Respect to know you do not have to fight , respect to know when the race is over and bring it home safely. But Like Rasta said.. New race, new start, new fun, new record and I hope no new problems ;D The Race track is in front of you .. not in the past !!! mm nice quote..
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