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Post by motocan on Mar 6, 2011 22:50:46 GMT 1
Hi Guys. I was just starting to understand that FXO in the last race. After I hit the wall in race 1 I booked out seeing no point in causing a safety car and ending up last anyway. I went onboard with 7k and watching I saw that I was accelerating to soon out of the corners which I think was cooking the rubber. I also lost positions in all races in that series of last corners looking back instead of forwards to slo-scatters advantage! Curses! I see I caused a bit of grief for some due to my being slow and ornery but I do come to race and expect those that are faster than me to get on by me fairly. If I have to move over every time some one beeps I may as well stay home. So I think I drive fair and completive in my own way. I do prefer the open wheel cars and do not have much experience with most of the cars in this seasons series. I spend some time doing my own set ups which is half my fun and half my problems but I am learning a bit more with each race. I have good fun racing with you all and hope you with me. Maybe that reverse order could be rethought. When I start near the front I understand I will be passed but I don’t want to end up last. Regards Mike (motocan)
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Post by hanziboy on Mar 6, 2011 23:06:55 GMT 1
Indeed completely correct, and I'm a strong believer that every body is welcome !! And of course we expect you to fight for position. But only with this things in mind (I don't say you did those things) Don't go blocking , but only move position once. When with 2 in a corner look left or right to know where the other is. If you not sure, you don't see him in the rear mirror, then he prob will be next to you.. The leave enough room. Don't try to look in that rear mirror to much, it will make you nervous and force you into making errors. ... PRACTICE !! the main thing to do. AND tell us here that you will be online practicing. Someone else will join you for sure.
Gl M8
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Post by xtian on Mar 6, 2011 23:23:21 GMT 1
exactly, I was one of the slowest guy around with this combo (hate the car and no time to practice, to much work) but I don't think faster guys expect you to move out of the way too easily, that can be frustrating too, I usually avoid any contact but don't just let them pass me without a fair fight. hell, it's a race after all ! Just keep in mind that the other guy don't know what move you are about to make and you don't know what move he's about to make so ... avoid anything too heroic (eh hanz ? ;P ) And snails like me want to be able to have some action too so we need more .. should I say *average* racers. Joke apart, some people in this league are really fast and the level went up from season to season so no one should be embarrassed by his performance . in the second race my car was so smashed up that I waited for the leader in the last lap just to end the d**n without another lap of torture.
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Post by towzt on Mar 7, 2011 16:55:01 GMT 1
If, you are feeling bad about your results motocan; you should look at my 1st season.
Still a bit of a trauma.
what i learned about these cars: racing for me is 80% anticipation. getting the best set for me a isn't asuper sticky one, it is a car as predicable as possible.
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Post by xtian on Mar 7, 2011 17:32:49 GMT 1
Maybe that reverse order could be rethought. When I start near the front I understand I will be passed but I don’t want to end up last. Regards Mike (motocan) It is true that I think in most categories, reverse order only involve the first 8 racers (I think it is that way in WTTC and is or was in superbike?). Would that change something now that we generally are more than 8 racers at the start ? Maybe there is a reason it is so, it will reverse start for the faster group but let the "slower" group at the back. Any opinion ?
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Post by SLO_Scatter on Mar 7, 2011 21:18:31 GMT 1
I would rather start behind the ones faster than me so that I don't cause big problems at the start. But doing it that way would require that we end the race, and admins would have to tell everyone when to join to get the grid right.
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Post by xtian on Mar 8, 2011 9:23:57 GMT 1
I would rather start behind the ones faster than me so that I don't cause big problems at the start. But doing it that way would require that we end the race, and admins would have to tell everyone when to join to get the grid right. True, and that is a long, complicated (for admins) and boring (for racers) process. Maybe that is a suggestion that could be addressed to the developers. Something like a "/restart=reverse#8" command
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Post by towzt on Mar 9, 2011 10:39:53 GMT 1
Now ladies, listen to me. A quite a fast racer (not being to thick-headed) i enjoy starting at the back of the grid. It makes the racing all that more intersesting; especially when forced pitting is on. It takes great skill to time a pass right, even to a slower driver. No offence intende, but when i try to pass scatter, it isn't just driving by, I have to plan those things, and if it is on really narrow track, force him into a bit of an error sometimes to get past. For example; Hanzi is a hard egg to pass (we have seen this last practice race ) wich is also as bi of a part in racing as just going fast. If the LFS league would have 15 drivers and hanzi would take 10th place in the 1st race, chances of him getting a better result are quite small. If we maintain reverse order, and he can pass all the guys behind him (wich he should be capable off) and only let 2 or 3 really fast guys (me, and don't know who the other ones could be) he suddenly is in the 3rd or 4th position. Scat, your inability to start as fast as the others is in no way a problem. At the start, I look in what row you are, counting the cars behind you, i can think what i should do to get the best start possible. If i start directly behind you; i know you can be used as a block to close in behind me at T1. don't think anyone of you is holding up the pack; it is bringing more life to series. Lost of very fast people make mistakes being stuck after the slower driversh(have seen this many times this season), that is were the less hero's get a chance to take their place. I really really enjoy the reverse start order. I probably cost me a championship (or 2) but I don't mind. I don't want to race a championship where you know 90% of the outcome of the races by just looking at the qualifying time
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Post by towzt on Mar 9, 2011 10:40:30 GMT 1
btw, i used hanzi and scat as an example since i know XT is offended way to easy
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Post by hanziboy on Mar 9, 2011 15:21:09 GMT 1
Now ladies, listen to me. A quite a fast racer (not being to thick-headed) i enjoy starting at the back of the grid. It makes the racing all that more intersesting; especially when forced pitting is on. It takes great skill to time a pass right, even to a slower driver. No offence intende, but when i try to pass scatter, it isn't just driving by, I have to plan those things, and if it is on really narrow track, force him into a bit of an error sometimes to get past. For example; Hanzi is a hard egg to pass (we have seen this last practice race ) wich is also as bi of a part in racing as just going fast. If the LFS league would have 15 drivers and hanzi would take 10th place in the 1st race, chances of him getting a better result are quite small. If we maintain reverse order, and he can pass all the guys behind him (wich he should be capable off) and only let 2 or 3 really fast guys (me, and don't know who the other ones could be) he suddenly is in the 3rd or 4th position. Scat, your inability to start as fast as the others is in no way a problem. At the start, I look in what row you are, counting the cars behind you, i can think what i should do to get the best start possible. If i start directly behind you; i know you can be used as a block to close in behind me at T1. don't think anyone of you is holding up the pack; it is bringing more life to series. Lost of very fast people make mistakes being stuck after the slower driversh(have seen this many times this season), that is were the less hero's get a chance to take their place. I really really enjoy the reverse start order. I probably cost me a championship (or 2) but I don't mind. I don't want to race a championship where you know 90% of the outcome of the races by just looking at the qualifying time I could not have said it better. I'm loving the reversed start order to. I k brings a lot more action, gives slower racers an opportunity and also the more slower racers, as I am; get more fight experience. Also Scatter no problem indeed on your slow starts (if not in reverse ). And learn to fight for those positions to . Others know we are slower, so they will not drive you of that soon !!! So floor it and go for it, don't move to the side as soon it's starts.
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Post by SLO_Scatter on Mar 9, 2011 16:01:31 GMT 1
No offence intende, but when i try to pass scatter, it isn't just driving by, I have to plan those things, and if it is on really narrow track, force him into a bit of an error sometimes to get past. Scat, your inability to start as fast as the others is in no way a problem. At the start, I look in what row you are, counting the cars behind you, i can think what i should do to get the best start possible. If i start directly behind you; i know you can be used as a block to close in behind me at T1. don't think anyone of you is holding up the pack; it is bringing more life to series. Lost of very fast people make mistakes being stuck after the slower drivers (have seen this many times this season), that is were the less hero's get a chance to take their place. I really really enjoy the reverse start order. I probably cost me a championship (or 2) but I don't mind. I don't want to race a championship where you know 90% of the outcome of the races by just looking at the qualifying time I try to do the exact same thing towz-T. If I'm faster, which isn't much, than one of the other racers like Motocan (no offence man) at SO2r for example, I tried to stay close enough to him to stay in his mirror and hope for an opening. I finally got that opening at turn 4 when Motocan went a little wide at the corner opening up the inside line for me to get by him, but it took me a few laps to set it up and figure out my best chance. And about my (reverse) starts, I was using a voice command program called "Game Commander 2" which allows me to set up voice commands for shifting. I usually only use it for starting because those TBO cars are very slow starting if you don't have the turbo spooled up. Anyway, I say "UP" to shift up, and "DOWN" to shift down. I started the race in neutral, then build boost and waited for the green light. But when I said "UP" for the car to shift to 1st gear it went into reverse...for some reason. So I stopped using the voice commands and I start the race in 1st gear and the car idling, no boost. We can keep doing reversed grid if that's what you prefer, but just so you know, in some cars I will be very slow getting started. Especially if it's a TBO car.
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Post by xtian on Mar 9, 2011 17:42:24 GMT 1
btw, i used hanzi and scat as an example since i know XT is offended way to easy I find this comment very offending Scatter, maybe you could configure your gear box to use words less similar than "u"p and "dow"n ? You could say "macaroni and cheese" to shift up and "dos cervesa por favor" to shift down ?
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Post by hanziboy on Mar 9, 2011 18:06:41 GMT 1
or down for up and up for down ??
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