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11.6
Mar 12, 2011 6:36:56 GMT 1
Post by towzt on Mar 12, 2011 6:36:56 GMT 1
11.6 Use of SHIFT-P and re-enter during the race: disqualification
I understand why i got that ban, but for some reason my clutch pedal failed me before the start.
And also, i did not use Shift-P during race. I did it before the race (since green flag wasn't given, at which point the race starts.) I even think the lights weren't on yet.
Then i joined during the race, but the rule says shift-p and re-enter during the race.
you can say by using this grammar that Shift-p doesn't have to be done during the race, but the re-entering does. But there is no mistake about the word RE-enter, which is only possible to do if you already participated in the race.
Also, going in pit pre-race, you are only allowed to start 10 (of 15) seconds behind the pack + the fact that you are in the pit and still need to follow speed rules (not on this track but on KY1 it can be a MAYOR penalty).
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11.6
Mar 12, 2011 15:58:19 GMT 1
Post by xtian on Mar 12, 2011 15:58:19 GMT 1
Sorry Towzt, I can understand the frustration if the jump start was caused by a hardware malfunction, but from an external point of view, it looked like a way to exchange a 45 seconds penalty for a 10 seconds one. I am not saying that you intentionally did it for that reason, but we have seen in the past that some people would use any occasion to use a rule at their advantage if we did not strictly drew a border around what can and what cannot be done :/
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11.6
Mar 12, 2011 18:19:46 GMT 1
Post by towzt on Mar 12, 2011 18:19:46 GMT 1
then why didn't you give me a 45 sec penalty?
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11.6
Mar 12, 2011 19:59:44 GMT 1
Post by hanziboy on Mar 12, 2011 19:59:44 GMT 1
...I understand why i got that ban, but for some reason my clutch pedal failed me before the start..... That it was not intentionally I'm 100% sure of because it happened way before the start. The fact you tried to avoid the penalty by re-entering was intentionally and not very sportive.. and the main reason we did apply the 11.6 rule even if the race itself was not on a green light yet. Sampa had a jump start to on race 3 and just collected the penalty given by LFS itself. then why didn't you give me a 45 sec penalty? Always realize we try to simulate the real world as close as possible. On a jump start, I don't think you could push the car back to the pits, drive it back and participate on the race like nothing has happened. then why didn't you give me a 45 sec penalty? That is a question for yourself I guess.. Yes why didn't you just collect the 45 sec penalty ...
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11.6
Mar 13, 2011 5:58:05 GMT 1
Post by towzt on Mar 13, 2011 5:58:05 GMT 1
since in real life. if you have some thing like this. you can reverse into your original position. and the stewards won't say a thing about it (have seen this LOTS AND LOTS of times), but LFS doesn't have that option of course. therefor, i thougt it wasn't so unfair to go into the pit and do a pit start, wich is also a penalty. If i would have known that this would result in a penalty that bad (DQ) I could have also floored it and go for is => having a HUGE lead and no opposition all race long making it even possible to even finnish better than i did this race (4th) with the penalty
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11.6
Mar 13, 2011 10:40:11 GMT 1
Post by xtian on Mar 13, 2011 10:40:11 GMT 1
If i would have known that this would result in a penalty that bad (DQ) I could have also floored it and go for is => having a HUGE lead and no opposition all race long making it even possible to even finnish better than i did this race (4th) with the penalty You joking of course. are you ?
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11.6
Mar 13, 2011 13:37:23 GMT 1
Post by hanziboy on Mar 13, 2011 13:37:23 GMT 1
then the result would be the same... If you keep on driving LFS throws you to the pits to. And to end this discussion... You wanted 45 sec ?? When even if we would have changed it to a 45 second penalty you would gain 1 position. As I've ended 13th ...59.55 seconds behind the leader and you ended 15.17 seconds behind the leader .. So 45 seconds would bring you to 60.17 seconds behind the leader ending just behind me on 14th position with XT (1 laps down) behind you.
So you would gain 1 position point . In the calculation to the final result. You collected 1+15+7 = 23 points with the DQ With the 45 seconds that would be 1+14+7=22 points ..
But StFin Miro had this result : 9+4+8=21 so with the 22 points you would not gain a position..
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11.6
Mar 13, 2011 19:55:47 GMT 1
Post by towzt on Mar 13, 2011 19:55:47 GMT 1
I told you in the 1st post that i don't want my points back and I respect your decision; but the fact if, if you strickly look at the rules I didn't do anything wrong. But I understand the way you penalized me. and 1) If i would have floored it, and was sent into the pit; i would also have a 15 sec start penalty from pit (like i did now) 2) hanzi you forgot the get in your calculation that (if lfs wouldn't send me to the pit) i would have started with a 5sec gap (would probably be more) + the 15secs i lost from starting from the pit gaining me 20 secs from my 60.17 secs u calculated (and some secs from the time i lost overtaking)
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