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Post by xtian on Nov 12, 2012 10:30:58 GMT 1
And I didn't even race for more than 6 laps, including a couple of laps under safety cars ?! WTF people ?! This track is just one big large straight line with 3 turns on each side and we cannot manage to run one single clean lap with 10 cars ? That's just impossible.
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Post by hanziboy on Nov 12, 2012 16:22:47 GMT 1
As I was also part on one of the incidents I should better not talk about it..But I do know what makes this combo so difficult.. The differential speed during overtaking is so low that you drive next to each other for a very long time... This also means a lot more changes to collide with a car that does not like to collide at all :/.
Mean thing is not to wave around but keep the car as straight as possible I guess also in the corners during overtaking, know there is someone beside you that will not disappear all of the sudden..So if you widen your corner you will collide with him...
I hope things go better in the official race witch they normally do as racers realize points are at stake ...
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Post by xtian on Nov 12, 2012 18:21:39 GMT 1
We all make mistakes, I'm not pointing into any particular racer (unlike some did during the race, without even a first person look on the incidents) I just don't understand that I raced more laps online on blackwood with a mixed pack from RB4 to FZR on cargame.nl than I raced last sunday on a stupid straight line with a car that doesn't go any faster than 180kph and is smaller that my office table. I see a lot of fast and challenging people but again, I don't see a lot of respect for one another.
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Post by 13veijalainen on Nov 13, 2012 12:56:05 GMT 1
Hi!
By the way, is it possible to start next session 18:30 cet? Usa F1 gp start 20:00 cet! I think that many drivers want to watch F1 race!
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Post by hanziboy on Nov 13, 2012 22:19:24 GMT 1
Hi! By the way, is it possible to start next session 18:30 cet? Usa F1 gp start 20:00 cet! I think that many drivers want to watch F1 race! We agreed not to change the start hour of the event, because some admins can not make it then and maybe some other racers to. As they put this race at that time in their agenda... ;D SO I've already programmed my digital recorder.. many greetings Hanzibo
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 19:06:12 GMT 1
In my opinion cars choice in this season is terrible and not adjusted to drivers skills. As everyone knows most of people here are not pro but just weekend warriors and cars this year are really unforgiving and hard to drive, so dont be suprised Xtian that most of races in season 10 will be safety car races:P And im still against safety car in this league its my second season and its still just a problem not fun and i think no one enjoying that procedure:P And im know, im complaining like always but someone needs to do this;D
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Post by xtian on Nov 17, 2012 12:24:36 GMT 1
I would tend to agree with you Ernest, on the choice of car, but every opinion we received is that people want single seaters and should we program my personnal farovite RWD touring cars, I doubt that we could align the 12 to 15 racers we consistency have this season.
I do not agree on the lack of skills, we have a lot of very fast drivers and the qualification time sheets do not show a big difference in PB times. I would also disagree that the accidents are caused by the slower drivers. I would rather think that they are caused by fast people who have a little to high opinion of their skills and a little too low opinion of the other's people right to race with them and think that they can kill anyone between them and first place. I see more cases of suicide attacks or bullying and pushing people around that than real driving errors.
I really don't think the safety car is the issue here. before we used the safety car, we sometimes had 40 minutes races that only 2 or 3 cars would end and 6 or 8 other would crash during the first 10 minutes and watch. That's not fun at all.
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Post by hanziboy on Nov 17, 2012 17:06:01 GMT 1
I could not have said it better ... If everybody would drive like it was for real money and risking real lives, we would see a complete other race. In real live we see races where cars are behind each other for a very large number of laps , simply because the risk to overtake is way to high.. Even if the 2nd car is a lot faster then the one in front of him. During the last races we only see faster guys without any respect for the ones in front or next to each other.
I don't have the time to spare to set up a league with a simulates financial base behind it. Where every racer would start with the same amount of capital. A capital that would increase when winning and would decrease with every incident and penalties.. In the way guys drive now, we would have an empty league halfway the season. But with such a system I think all of the sudden those single seaters would not be so unforgiving like they are now as people would care a lot more during overtaking and racing.
And as Xtian told the single seater season was on common request.
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Post by salatoimikud on Nov 17, 2012 18:06:31 GMT 1
And im still against safety car in this league its my second season and its still just a problem not fun and i think no one enjoying that procedure:P I enjoy SC closes gap between drivers, and if you do some mistake at the beginning of the race then SC helps lot to take better finish place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 21:54:07 GMT 1
cause you never on the top hahah And im still against safety car in this league its my second season and its still just a problem not fun and i think no one enjoying that procedure:P I enjoy SC closes gap between drivers, and if you do some mistake at the beginning of the race then SC helps lot to take better finish place. you enjoy cause youre never on top hahah ;d for me SC is unfair and think Xtian - 13 laps race with 7 laps behind safety car is fun? maybe is the same boring like race with only 3 cars on finish. And without SC drivers on the top will not punish couse someone on last place crushed into wall. Its ridiculous. SC forces pit stop strategy couse in current situation you must make pit stop on first lap if you dont want to lose. I would like to try on some practice session a race without safety car. I really belive that racing here without SC could be more fun, not for all i guess couse people who often crashing will not happy and slower guys too, but that will be their problem and now when someone crash in bad way its problem for all. SC is good idea i know what you want to achive with this but its not working. I think one more safety car race and I wont to be racing here couse its really not fun for me at all.
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Post by xtian on Nov 18, 2012 8:49:49 GMT 1
cause you never on the top hahah I enjoy SC closes gap between drivers, and if you do some mistake at the beginning of the race then SC helps lot to take better finish place. you enjoy cause youre never on top hahah ;d for me SC is unfair and think Xtian - 13 laps race with 7 laps behind safety car is fun? maybe is the same boring like race with only 3 cars on finish. And without SC drivers on the top will not punish couse someone on last place crushed into wall. Its ridiculous. SC forces pit stop strategy couse in current situation you must make pit stop on first lap if you dont want to lose. I would like to try on some practice session a race without safety car. I really belive that racing here without SC could be more fun, not for all i guess couse people who often crashing will not happy and slower guys too, but that will be their problem and now when someone crash in bad way its problem for all. SC is good idea i know what you want to achive with this but its not working. I think one more safety car race and I wont to be racing here couse its really not fun for me at all. well, Hello, we race without safety car A LOT long before you joined this league. We didn't just came up one day and went "hey, let's find the most unfair and boring way to race and create a league around it to annoy Ernest" Too much laps under safety cars isn't fun at all, I agree 100% Now what is the cause of that situation : reckless driving and bad moves and bad decision from reckless drivers, not the safety car itself. The safety car was introduced for 2 main reasons: 1- allow those who crashed (all of them, not just the slow ones that you blame because I see a lot of our top driver crash on regular basis too) to rejoin the race and have fun all evening instead of kill their car on turn one of lap one like every sunday night then quit and watch the other have fun (I once trained all week for a MRT endurance race and made a 180° on lap one to end nose first into the barrier, not the most fun evening of my life) 2- allow everyone to enjoy an evening of competition, and not just have the few survival cars spread on each end of the circuit, the fast one riding in circle alone for most of the race, and the (even slightly) slower ones riding around in circle alone for all the evening. This is online racing, if you'd rather drive your car alone all night for an easy win than have a fair fight, maybe you shouldn't race online. It's the idea that winning in any way is more important than achieving a good result after a good fair fight that causes the kind of reckless driving that we see every sunday. Because with this state of mind, the next step is to kill your opponent in his sleep to make sure that you can win without opposition. Safety car is not unfair to you even if you are the fastest guy on earth (which you're not by the way) because safety car is the same for everyone. I agree that mandatory pits stop is not interesting in my opinion either and I'd rather not have it, but then again it add a technical decision, to rush in lap one like everybody else, or to gamble on X number of laps without SC and try to pop the perfect laps while the track is free, etc...
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Post by xtian on Nov 18, 2012 8:53:56 GMT 1
To add in favor of the safety car, we once tried a complex system of weight penalties (that required for a rocket scientist diploma and was long and difficult to use) for the fastest people for the same reason, level the competition and allow everyone to fight for a good result, and not make it easier for the fastest guy and keep the slower guys at the back to protect the fast ones. You kids are watching too much F1, stop thinking of yourself as superstars, we're just gamers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 13:17:07 GMT 1
stop thinking of yourself as superstars, we're just gamers. i just dont like that safety car procedure thats all, but i see that only i dont like it so ill not talking about this anymore.
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Post by xtian on Nov 18, 2012 22:34:24 GMT 1
I guess you could say that the official race went rather well, a couple of SC, just enough to spice up the race and add a little pressure on the end of both races. So thank you all for a nice evening of fair racing, as far as I know (no complains so far).
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