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Post by 13veijalainen on Apr 12, 2013 17:48:12 GMT 1
Season 10 Race 12. Race 1, lap1! In finland we call diving move by xtian and if you see helicopter perspective, you will see that i left space enough! 20sec penalty for me! Download replays and tell your opinion, how you see course of events.
Cya on track!
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Post by hanziboy on Apr 13, 2013 19:11:53 GMT 1
Wen I would start from the left site I would never close that corner that much Is you should have know he was there.. You never see him in your mirrors or in front.. so there is only 1 place he can be.. indeed beside you.. It was indeed a close call to decide for to..
We evaluate every incident after the race.. As we have 3 admins we can always come to minimum of a 2/3 decision. Watched over and over again..
In the second race you learned from it and left more then enough space.
Remember that also for us it is not always easy to decide. Xtian by the way decided no penalty.. The other 2admins did.. The view that decides the most is the cockpit view as only that view can tell us what you saw.
Cya on track..
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Post by 13veijalainen on Apr 14, 2013 7:54:35 GMT 1
Hi! The first of all i have to apology my a little bit too agressive post! I don`t blame Xtian 20sec penalty me! We had send e-mail ourselves (Xtian and i). I know that Xtian doesn`t asked penalty for me! (I was not even thinking that about Xtian ). My opinion about Xtian. He is gentleman driver, and i like race against Xtian because he don`t block / do any unexepected moves... and this words i can say many others driver too. “In the second race you learned from it and left more then enough space.” Race 1. I didn`t know what was happend behind me, when i spinned, the first thing in my mind was that somebody crash behind me and “snowball” hits me. I saw replays after races! I watched replay different wiews many times 0.125 slow motion and when Xtian hit me, mine car start spin to right. If you see different wiews this event you will see that Xtian had space enogh his right side. I don`t want penalty Xtian, it was pure accident, racing incident, but i don`t accept 20 sec penalty for me. I hope, no hard feelings anyone. Cya on track!
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Post by xtian on Apr 15, 2013 6:42:30 GMT 1
There are many ways to look at this but from the top view, you'll see that there is indeed space left on my right ... for 1 width of wheel, but certainly not for one width of a car, I even ride up the curb just when we crashed. "more tha enough space" seems a little of an overstatement. Knowing that one second sooner you were on the extreme left part of the track, I would not had driven like I knew you were going to jump on the extreme right, the only thing I could have done would be to brake and let you pass (but it was a race and I was next or in front of your car the moment before). After that we can discuss if the penalty is needed or not, I'm not a big fan of penalties, I thing they should be limited to disloyal attacks, but I guess the sanction is not for crashing or being too aggressive, but for not checking on your side on T1 and not waiting after the crash you *maybe* caused. All in all, correct me if I am wrong but I think the penalty does not change the final result, and from what we saw last night, it also did not change your chances to win next race See you on track. Attachments:
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Post by 13veijalainen on Apr 15, 2013 13:55:30 GMT 1
"After that we can discuss if the penalty is needed or not, I'm not a big fan of penalties" I don`t either, similar cases!
"All in all, correct me if I am wrong but I think the penalty does not change the final result"
Yes, it does!
Race results
Race 1 points
Towz-T 10 13:17.860 St-Fin jkl 8 13:18.860 Salatoimik 6 13:38.510 stauffenberg 5 13:42.000 Mikail 4 13:44.090 Veijalainen 3 13:44.310 Xtian 2 13:51.180 St-Fin White 1 13:35.930 +20sec = 13:55.930 Fridorik 13:59.950 St-Fin Matias 13:42.790 +20sec =14:02.790 Son of Hanzi 14:18.220 Scatter 14:20.660 14:00.500 + 1 lap Knuckles
Race 2
Veijalainen 10 Towz-T 8 Xtian 6 St-Fin jkl 5 Salatoimik 4 St-Fin Matias 3 St-Fin White 2 Mikail 1 Fridorik Son of Hanzi Scatter Knuckles
Race 1+2 total points
Towz-T 18+2=20 =12 St-Fin jkl 13+2=15 =10 13-Veijalainen 13+2=15 =10 Salatoimik 10+2=12 =8 Xtian 8+2=10 =6 Mikail 5+2=7 =5 St-Fin Matias 3+2=5 =4 St-Fin White 3+2=5 =4
China F1 Webber vs Vergne. Little bit similar accident. No penalty to Vergne.
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Post by xtian on Apr 15, 2013 15:39:35 GMT 1
I seriously suck at math , sorry! Honestly, it does not depend on me, I really think the accident has been reviewed and I really doubt that the admins will change their mind because there is not really any new facts to consider from what was considered at the beginning. Deleting the penalty now because you protested would open the door to an endless weekly wave of protestations and the admin's decisions would be subject to all kind of modifications and lose all their value. That goes against what admins stand for. sorry again.
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Post by 13veijalainen on Apr 15, 2013 16:20:46 GMT 1
No problem
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Post by hanziboy on Apr 16, 2013 12:21:52 GMT 1
But don't stop to react on things you see differently. They can only be in your favor on future decisions.
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Post by 13veijalainen on Apr 16, 2013 13:48:32 GMT 1
Hi! No, i will not, but i hope that i never have to . And i have to say that , all my respect to admins/jury. You will have to make very difficult conclusions! I`m clad that i`m not member of jury and i hope that i will never have to judge anyone. I think that everyone of us wants earn every points fair play, (example i don`t want win if faster racers ahead me crashes together). All in all, you, LFS belgium group, you have many very good car/track combos. It is intresting to start working car settings to a track upcoming. ...and sorry my bad english... ...dammn, Towz-T is fast
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Post by towzt on Apr 22, 2013 23:25:28 GMT 1
...dammn, Towz-T is fast not as fast as you yesterday. i would like to comment on something i did yesterday; going into the pit when it was closed, but i backed up out of it, waited for the guys behind me to get in wait a bit and then get out again, I hope you consider my own homegrown solution
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Post by xtian on Apr 23, 2013 10:21:09 GMT 1
...dammn, Towz-T is fast not as fast as you yesterday. i would like to comment on something i did yesterday; going into the pit when it was closed, but i backed up out of it, waited for the guys behind me to get in wait a bit and then get out again, I hope you consider my own homegrown solution We'll discuss it, I vote for a ban for entering pits when they were closed and a double ban for driving backwards on the track during a race. ;D ;D
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Post by 13veijalainen on Apr 23, 2013 15:04:33 GMT 1
Hi! Case Towz-T: No penalties. No harm for anyone, no any danger moves etc. On the other hand... He is a crasher, he don`t respect other racers, he blocks and his driving style is unlike sport. Towz-T have to suffer. I recommend following punishment: It would be nice to see his driving marathon race... He have to race alone, 24 hours, car/track, F1/bl rallycross. TC off, R4 tires, full tyre pressure of course and engine brake reduction 100% ! ...and of course, chat open, everyone can comment his moves etc... It is extremly dangerous to reverse empty pit lane... Race will start 04 may 2013 20:30 cet Buahhaahhaahhhh ;D What is wrong in my mind? Just a kidding ;D An honestly: No any kind penalties for Towz-T, period. And notification for all, Towz-T is gentleman racer! Cya on track!
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Post by towzt on Apr 23, 2013 23:18:59 GMT 1
i've done a rallycross race in the BF1 about 20 laps on one of the fern bays. don't know how we came to do that, bu i know i won it and you had so much speed this weekend, i need more time for a good set and what happened in the last race? you went of in the braking zone?
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Post by 13veijalainen on Apr 24, 2013 10:02:55 GMT 1
Hi! 2:nd restart, after green flag, i had too cool tires and too much speed when i entering shicane. The deep and dark voice in my head says, don`t worry tires, you don`t have to brake, you can fly, you can fly... What the hel.. i tought, i didn`t belive that voice and i brake... too late. So, no excuses. ...like that one! There was paranorma... i mean an amateur activity in my cabin. I supposed that the shortest way to say that is, that i was an idiot
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Post by xtian on Apr 24, 2013 21:07:54 GMT 1
ok, let us know when the voice in your head tell you to kill all humans. °_°
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